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US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby GulfMariner » Wednesday March 22nd, 2006 2:56 pm MST

Hello,
I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this situation:
If someone divests him/herself of US Citizenship, and retains State Citizenship, must that person surrender the US Passport?
How can this person travel through US borders without this document?
The right to travel would seemingly allow this, possibly by showing a State issued identification.
I have read the US passport application form, and it seems you cannot have the passport and not the US citizenship.
I have tried to word these questions as properly as possible, but my head is still new to many concepts and I am still learning and researching.
Thanks to anyone who might have insight!
-GC

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Re: US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby Inhisservice » Wednesday March 22nd, 2006 7:22 pm MST

GulfMariner,
How can this person travel through US borders without this document?
U.S. borders ie. Canada and Mexico only require a Birth Certificate. As far as other counties I'll yeild to others more knowledgable on the subject to answer the other questions and possiblities. Thank you

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Re: US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby Admin » Friday March 24th, 2006 4:41 pm MST

:h: GulfMariner:
Thank you for your inquiry.
This is another of those topics generated from the Patriot Mythology that alleges you can Expatriate from Corp. U.S. The entire concept makes reason stare. It’s simple: Expatriation is something that can only be done from a country; Corp. U.S. is not a country, therefore you cannot expatriate from Corp. U.S.

The real problem with so many people getting caught up in that bogus process is it exemplifies that they have no idea who they themselves are, they have no idea of who Corp. U.S. is and now with the question you ask perhaps no idea who the State is as well. The solution to the problem and to your question is found by applying the Standard for Review we so often refer to in the article found at this Open Forum link: Contracts, Trusts and the Corporation Sole.

When people fail to discover such understanding by using the Standard for Review it is usually because they skipped over understanding themselves; which is not wise when you are attempting to understand a situation you are involved in. Such an understanding is such a personal matter that we suggest The Way of Kings™ Foundational Instruments are the best resource for securing and understanding that private matter. For the purposes of this general review we will skip over understanding self and again focus on Corp. U.S.
To understand who Corp. U.S. is, read the Historical Outline on Team Law’s website.

The second reason some people fail to discover what is going on is: having that information about Corp. U.S. they fail to remember Corp. U.S. is not a country rather it is a private foreign corporation.

Next, you must take into account the ecology of the relationship: that means you have to notice the environment of the relationship between the parties. Rather than going into that one in depth here, again we will simply notice the entire basis of the relationship between the parties here is: contract. What contract? Usually it stems from the Social Security Administration created relationship as demonstrated in the Team Law Beneficiary Forum article called, Social Security Administration created Trusts; which introduces the real party in contract with Corp. U.S. and the actual subject of your question (whether you knew it or not).

You see, contrary to Patriot Mythology, the relationship in question is not one of patriation of a man to a country who’s government has run amuck, nor is it a matter between a man and Corp. U.S.; rather, the real parties involved are a taxpayer (entity created by Social Security Administration) under contract with Corp. U.S.

Therefore, there is no possibility of expatriation—there is no patriation to expatriate from; therefore, there is no way to:
GulfMariner wrote:Divest him/herself of US Citizenship, and retains State Citizenship
because, that relationship has no "him" or "her" self and there is no “US Citizenship” other than that Corp. U.S. statutory definition of a “citizen” as related in the Corp. U.S. 14th amendment to the United States Constitution (Corp. U.S.’ constitution); which citizenship is not actual citizenship; rather, it is a term defined in contract.

Following that same premise, there is no “State Citizenship” to contend with either, outside of said contractually defined relationship.

Remember, the great danger in all of this is: the necessary reservation in the Constitution for the United States of America that reserves to the people their right to choose any form of government they desire. You see, this choice of Corp. U.S. as a form of government has never been placed before the people to date. The Constitution for the United States of America and the Republic government it formed of the United states is still in full force and effect without contest. We call that government the original jurisdiction government. The private contracts people ascend to with Corp. U.S. through the assistance of the Social Security Administration are just that, private contracts. The Corp. States are just that, private corporations, formed by the actual original jurisdiction Republic State governments; all of whom are forbidden by their Enabling Acts under the Constitution for the United States of America from passing any laws rules etc. repugnant to the principles of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States of America; and, no offering to the people outside of that has ever been remotely offered to the people. Therefore, those institutions all remain exactly as they were created and the people are separately controlled only in accord with their private contractual relations.

Now for the danger referenced above: what if the people were to knowingly and willingly admit or otherwise choose Corp. U.S. as their government thus making Corp. U.S. their liege lord. Now that would be a devastating blow to our efforts to restore our original jurisdiction government. The thing is to do that it seems like Corp. U.S. would have to disclose the truth of their actual nature. They already have all that they have as the system is currently running, disclosing the truth openly would needlessly risk their destruction.

However, let’s again review this expatriation idea from Corp. U.S.' perspective. If you were Corp. U.S., how could you eliminat the most active voices against your systematic control of the people (sheeple):
  1. You would have to first awaken the people to understand their own sovereignty;
  2. Give full disclosure. Point out the corporate nature of Corp. U.S. along with its history, so the people have no excuse for not knowing who they are dealing with;
  3. Give the people a sufficient burden such that they would desire freedom from it;
  4. Teach them to understand statutes that allow them to expatriate if they don’t like what Corp. U.S. is doing, while they imagine expatriation as a path to freedom; and,
  5. Finally, either show them that if they do not leave the jurisdiction they cannot expatriate or let them leave the country.
Now, let’s review: what did the people do to “expatriate”?
In order to expatriate, they had to first “patriate” (that is to say, they had to recognize Corp. U.S was their Fatherland).

They had to first acknowledge Corp. U.S. was in fact their government!

Then either Corp. U.S. acknowledge the expatriation or not. If Corp. U.S. so acknowledges, the party must leave the jurisdiction. If they do not leave the jurisdiction, their expatriation is not complete and Corp. U.S. is free to recognize that they are still patriated in accord with their own application for expatriation.

The bottom line:
With so called expatriation from Corp. U.S., the party in their natural capacity has recognized that Corp. U.S. is their government, the one thing Corp. U.S. has never been able to disclose or compel on the people.

If the logical process we have led you through here makes your head hurt, please forgive us. To some people, especially if they have no background in such things, this kind of thing is difficult to follow, yet most Team Law beneficiaries have the support that makes understanding such things much simpler. (Team Law's educational support makes the headache go away.)

Now, with that understanding, let's address the issue you asked about:
GulfMariner wrote:(Can) someone divests him/herself of US Citizenship, and retains State Citizenship(?)
The obvious answer should be, according to the Corp. U.S. 14th amendment the jurisdiction is the same; one (Corp. U.S. citizen) is simply contractual and the other natural (that is of course if by State Citizenship you are referring to that natural state of being born within the confines of the boundaries of an original jurisdiction State of the Union of States known as the United States of America). If you were actually referring to expatriating from the United States of America then you cannot remain a Citizen of the Republic State under the country’s jurisdiction.

As to the issue of the passport, for most people it is apparent the man does not get the passport, rather the applicant is the taxpayer that was on application created by the Social Security Administration with its name and account number. Thus, again we do not see the problem. However, that is an issue we cannot directly address in this Open Forum because it requires the kind of support that we can only provide our beneficiaries. To address that issue we would have to go to the Team Law Beneficiary Forum. In fact our entire response here borders the edge of what we can provide on this Open Forum; therefore, responses to inquiries related to this response will likely need to be addressed there.

We hope what we were able to provide here has been helpful to your further understanding what we already presented simplisticly on our Patriot Mythology page and why we are so adamant about the bogus nature of the whole expatriation process theory. It’s kind of like attempting to rescind a signature without the other parties to the contract’s agreement—all that does is prove the signature. In the case of expatriation (divestiture of citizenship) all the attempt does (successful or not) is prove you recognize Corp. U.S. as your government—thus binding you to that decision.

As to the issue of travel related to passports, again that is an issue that we can only handle with Team Law Beneficiaries, which (considering the foregoing) you may now understand the necessity of that limitation on our part. The same goes for original jurisdiction State issued id.

Your wording of your inquiry was fine and we hope you continue to learn the right way of proceeding.

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Re: US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby On Point » Tuesday April 18th, 2006 3:48 pm MDT

Doesn’t title 8 of the USC offer a remedy to claim ones home state as his country? Prior to the War Between the States, wasn’t ones state considered an actual country as taught in the Law of Nations, by Vatell?

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Re: US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby Admin » Monday April 24th, 2006 2:05 am MDT

:h: On Point
Remedy to what?
The original jurisdiction states are separate nation states under the whole country of the United States of America. That has been the case at lease since the Constitution for the United States of America has been in existence; thus, the pre Civil War condition. That has not changed since then but the advent of Corp. U.S. and the Corp. States has complicated matters significantly. The United States Code is a construct of Corp. U.S., therefore it is a Corp. U.S. document providing Corp. U.S. provisions. It has little to do with the original jurisdiction States and remedies related thereto.

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Re: US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby Enlightened1 » Saturday September 22nd, 2007 7:44 pm MDT

In relation to the original question, I have another—

Due to recent legislation, I am understating that if you travel to either Canada or Mexico you will not be allowed to return home unless you have a Corp. U.S. issued passport; I mean what’s up with that?
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Re: US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby Geibes » Monday September 24th, 2007 11:19 am MDT

Enlightened1-
By the way your post sounded, I'm thinking it was written under exaspiration or frustration!! :D Been there! Since the only question in your post was "whats up with that" I'll take a shot at answering that one. If you read Admin's previous post in this thread and everything else on Team Law's web site (not to mention the actual history and law of this nation of course!), you will find that there's really nothing "up with that".

Corp US can do pretty much whatever they want with their laws (unless challenged in their own court system by someone who knows the truth!). Since one of the business needs of the original jurisdiction government is maintaining the country's borders, then Corp US, which was tasked with handling the business needs of the original jurisdiction government, can maintain the country's borders. They therefore can require entities that they have contracts with (e.g. taxpayers in Admin's previous example) have a valid passport to return into the country.

I know real live human beings can travel within the United States without the hassle of driver's licenses so I also suspect real live human beings can travel to other countries without the hassles of passports, although I suspect in this day and age, it is very hard to do. It is perhaps the foreign country's laws that would be the obstacle, not necssarily the original jurisdiction US laws.

As noted by Admin, Team Law can help you learn the laws relating to passports if you get stuck learning them yourself. To become a beneficiary I got involved with Way of Kings™, they nominated me and it has been one of the best decisions I ever made!
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Re: US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby Admin » Tuesday September 25th, 2007 6:03 am MDT

:h: Enlightened1:
The thing you are relating to by acknowledging that a passport is needed to enter countries is an old elemental issue related to international travel. The fact that Corp. U.S. and other countries, by treaty, allowed travel with simple identity cards (like driver's licenses) was an element of treaties between what have been called “most favorable nations”. Since the advent of the so called, “Homeland Security”, things have changed. Now, security for international travel has changed to a heightened standard where a person is required to have exit documents to enter a country. That is what a passport (and or a visa) is, an exit document. If a person cannot prove they have the recognized right to leave a country, they cannot leave the country to begin with and if they cannot produce evidence of such a right, the country will not grant them entrance to begin with.

The bottom line: under “Homeland Security” the United States is becoming a closed country.

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Re: US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby Enlightened1 » Wednesday September 26th, 2007 9:17 pm MDT

So basically due to current homeland security issues and until things change back to the grassroots system we used to have I should get a passport so I can freely travel to Mexico and Canada as well as other countries :roll: this sucks cuz I really like tacos(used to live just 35 mins from Mexico) :lol:
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Re: US Citizenship, US Passports, and the right to travel

Postby Admin » Thursday September 27th, 2007 9:44 am MDT

:h: Enlightened1:
We cannot say whether anyone should get a passport but that is certainly an option, especially if the applicant is aware of who all of the parties are involved in that application. Corp. State issued identification is now required, the costs have gone up and it is rumored that passport application costs will jump up significantly when the next step of Homeland Security controls are added to passports (national ID requirements, etc.) next year.

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