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What does a land patent look like?

The mystery of Land Patents unveiled.

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What does a land patent look like?

Postby Sean English » Friday November 7th, 2014 2:12 pm MST

Hi
I am new to the site and this is my first post. Finally, I am glad that I have found a place where I can help with the whole land patent thing.
I have a friend/client whom I am helping with a land he has inherited from another person.
We have a Chain of Title but it is a document written up by him and not something official. And then we have land patents (I think). What is a land patent? What does it look like? Is it official or anybody just could have written it up? We want to sell this property which is quite large and pricy but I am trying to first establish ownership. So, please dig in and help if you can. Also, are there attorneys/experts in this field who can help us?
I look forward to hearing what you have to say. Land is in California.

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Re: What does a land patent look like?

Postby Admin » Saturday November 8th, 2014 2:47 pm MST

:h: Sean English:
Your initial inquiry indicates that you have very little background with either Land Law or land patents; respectively, we suggest that you might want to start off by reading the full article “Do you own your Land?” which begins at page 13 of the WARN newsletter, volume 1 issue 1. After that you might want to move on to the Land 101 article found on our Land Patent specific Open Forum.

You indicated that you are helping a “friend/client” with a land issue; however, Team Law does not work through third parties unless all of the parties are Team Law beneficiaries; so, you will best help your friend by getting them to read the referenced articles and or to both get involved as Team Law beneficiaries.

You indicated that you have a “Chain of Title” document of your own making; however, a “Chain of Title” is a complete chain of documents that includes every landownership transfer document from the Title (land patent) to the present. It is not a single document that someone makes up. When the information from a “Chain of Title” is transcribed from the actual deeds, etc., that make up the chain, that instrument is called an “Abstract of Title”; but such an instrument has little value unless it is a “Certified Abstract of Title”. Such instruments are usually sealed and issued by Title companies.

The above referenced article (“Do you own your Land?”) includes within it a sample of an official land patent issued by the President of the United States of America. So, you can use that to verify the kind of contents found in a land patent. Respectively, land patents are definitely official documents issued only by the head of State; such as a: King, President or Governor.

Though the ownership of land, and the property appurtenant to it, is always established by the actual Title (land patent so issued) along with a proper “Chain of Title” (from the patent to the present), today real estate transactions are often secured merely by title insurance.

Team Law is not an attorney referral service; so, we can’t help you there.

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Re: What does a land patent look like?

Postby Sean English » Thursday November 13th, 2014 9:21 pm MST

Hi
I have been reading what you recommended and have found it very useful.
You mentioned that title companies make the Certified Abstract of title. Is that right? (By looking at all the deeds and land patents we provide them with)
I will contact one and see if they can make sense of it all. They are all handwritten and copies of the originals.
Where are the originals land patents located? I have one which reads exactly as you explained on the page 13 of your newsletter. How can a party check the authenticity of a land patent if its a copy?

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Re: What does a land patent look like?

Postby KingWm » Friday November 14th, 2014 8:02 am MST

Sean,
Years ago, title companies would always do abstracts of title. A lot of them used to be called abstract companies instead of title companies. In Texas, you won't find a title company that will still do an abstract of title. They just sell title insurance now. Good luck with that. If they will still do an abstract of title, they will do the research themselves and you will not need to provide them with anything other than the information necessary to identify the tract you want abstracted. The title companies I have dealt with won't even share their chain of title any more. It has become proprietary and a liability for them. If it were me, I would do the research myself (and you may have to). You would learn a great deal from the experience.

There should only be one patent and many deeds (unless you are in a rural area and your land happens to span more than one land patent). I would not even attempt to verify a copy is authentic as you suggested. I would get certified copies of the original from the source. In Texas, the source for patents is the General Land Office. I am not sure about other states, but it may be the Bureau of Land Management. Deeds are recorded at the County Clerk and Recorder's office (County Clerk). You will know that copies are authentic when you either make your own copies or get certified copies. To be used as evidence in court, the copies will have to be certified by the source.

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Re: What does a land patent look like?

Postby T.L.I.O.F. » Friday November 14th, 2014 8:12 am MST

Sean:
http://www.glorecords.blm.gov

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Re: What does a land patent look like?

Postby Admin » Monday November 24th, 2014 12:08 pm MST

:h: Sean:
Though we found the responses from KingWm and T.L.I.O.F. sufficient, we want you to also be aware that a link to the “BLM’s Land Patent Records Search” is the first resource listed on Team Law’s Online resources page; to which you will find a link in our main menu’s Research section.

Respectively, if you go to that link you will be able to select your State and enter either: the name of the person that was specifically named on the land patent; or, the Township, Range and Section # from your land’s land description and there see the Land Patent that was granted for your land.

Of course, if your land is located in the original 13 states or Texas that site will not source the land patent for your land because none of those lands were part of the “U. S. Rectangular Survey System”; and, respectively, the BLM has no jurisdiction over those State lands.

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Re: What does a land patent look like?

Postby DocWertheimer » Tuesday October 17th, 2017 4:02 pm MDT


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A land patent is a document that is only issued by either the state or federal a sovereign governmental authority. Many Federal land patents, all of them actually can be found on the BLM/GLO website, sometimes they're hard to find but they are available, images and all. You can get copies of them pretty cheap once you find the right numbers to order with.

Be careful with the following statement:
Anything that only declares, or gives notice of the land patent is legally classified as a 'self-serving' document and has no legal weight in state or federal court.
Though that statement can, in some circles, be considered accurate, it is a dangerous one. It is dangerous because it does not consider that actual effect of such a document properly generated and applied. In reality what happens with such an instrument, when generated by a proper sovereign party, is: it only has effect within the dominion of its construct. That means, it only has effect on parties subject to the specific “Dominion” of the sovereign that created the instrument. Of course, an informed Team Law beneficiary would never use such an instrument.
The proper way as far as I'm concerned to create a valid chain of title is (I'm in Los Angeles County ) is to use the standard title deed to transfer title from the beneficiary to that beneficiary
It is impossible to transfer something from a lone party to that same party—the net result of such an thing is nothing moved from anyone to anyone else; thus, no transfer took place. Respectively, an instrument that proposes so to “move” something constitutes fraud; because, it proposes to do something by contract that is impossible.

…only with the having a description from the original survey in meets and bounds (a pain in the touckas) then you can "bring the patent forward, with a clear chain of title. as a beneficary.
The entire point of using sovereign authority to patent a land grant is, it secures that said patent secured land grant cannot thereafter be changed. Thus, again, it is impossible to: “bring the patent forward”. Thus, any instrument attempting to do such a thing would be fraudulent in its very nature; for presupposing to do that which is impossible. :t^:

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Re: What does a land patent look like?

Postby Admin » Monday October 23rd, 2017 12:18 pm MDT

:h: DocWertheimer:
If you will read the Land 101 article carefully, you will discover all of the information necessary to understand why the adjustments were made to your above post into which we inserted our comments. It is critically important to notice that the duration of the land patent secured land grant is: “Forever.” It is also just as important to notice that everyone that might ever acquire land rights under any given land patent is named on the land patent either by name or by reference as: “heirs” and or “assigns”.

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